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Greek Life proposal aims to revamp alcohol policy

The proposal would bar freshmen from living in fraternity houses.

Published Dec. 10, 2010

A proposal to revamp Greek Life's Dry 2000 alcohol policy by barring freshmen from living in fraternity houses will be presented to university administration during winter break, Missouri Students Association President Tim Noce said.

The proposal, drafted by members of an alcohol workgroup formed from the Npower report on Greek Life, will be presented to chapter presidents at the presidents' retreat.

Instituted 10 years ago, the Dry 2000 policy sought to enforce an alcohol-free Greek Life community among chapters in the Interfraternity Council. However, execution and compliance with the policy have since become issues within fraternities, Noce said.

“The current policy has been in place for five to ten years and it’s still not being followed,” Interfraternity Council President Mike Zeiter said. “We need to come up with a policy that actually can be followed, otherwise there’s no point in even having a policy to begin with.”

Concerning enforcement, reports of alcohol policy violations go to the Greek Judicial Board. The board runs under the Office of Student Conduct and makes recommendations as to what disciplinary actions should be taken, Noce said. Previously, the Greek Judicial Board was advised by the Office of Greek Life as opposed to the Office of Student Conduct.

“The Office of Greek Life brought forth charges (for alcohol violations) and advised the judicial board,” Noce said. “This caused a conflict of interests and we are hoping recent changes on the advisement of the judicial board will help the enforcement of the alcohol policy.”

Aside from enforcement, another main issue addressed in the proposal is underaged drinking.

“The majority of students living in the fraternity houses are under 21 years of age,” Noce said. “If a lot more fraternity members were 21 or older, the allowance of alcohol would be more realistic.”

Noce said issues concerning the current policy are in part due to its unrealistic nature.

“Alcohol is a part of college culture,” Noce said. “Everyone knows college students consume alcohol, even the underaged students. And that might sound like crazy talk to some people. However it is an issue and it’s the elephant in the room no one wanted to talk about.”

The proposal will outline ways to curb the problem of under-aged drinking by suggesting freshmen fraternity members live in residence halls their first year as opposed to the fraternity house, Noce said.

“Having freshmen in the fraternities is something that’s unique to our campus,” Zeiter said. “Currently, the freshmen are thrown into the frats and it’s a reality shock. Living in the dorms would not only help them adjust, but they would build a sense of Mizzou pride instead of just frat pride.”

Alcohol-related hazing was discussed as a result of conversations regarding under aged drinking, Noce said.

“I’ve seen hazing happen firsthand and I know forcing members to drink comes into play,” Noce said. “Hazing and younger members are related in some aspect, and it would get better if younger members gained more experience before living in the houses.”

Noce said the adjustments would have no real long-term negative effects on the MU fraternities.

“There’s not a whole lot of downfall other than short-term monetary effects,” Noce said. “Fraternity members try to have a full house for monetary reasons and rely on the freshmen, which could potentially pose a problem.”

Zieter said despite changes that need to be made to the alcohol policy, discussions concerning improvements are a step in the right direction, but that it will be a long process.

“We need to address these issues honestly and keep up a clean image and an honest image,” Noce said. “Everyone has flaws, even the Greeks at Mizzou. The goal right now is honest discussion.”

Comments (17)

9:27 a.m., Dec. 10, 2010

Drew said:

The fact is the university doesn't have enough rooms in the residence halls as it is. Nor is it the responsibility of the university to police the fraternities. If they are breaking the rules punish them more severly until they follow such rules. The only thing that would result from freshmen living in the residence halls would be more people trying to walk home drunk, disturb the halls because they wouldn't want to be there and (in the universities interest) make more money on enflated meal plans and housing costs.

3:58 p.m., Dec. 12, 2010

Amsz67 said:

Sorry to burst your bubble Drew, but I think this is a great idea! The fraternities at MU don't exactly have the greatest reputation and haven't since the 70's when my parents were both here. Whether you like it or not, the fraternities ARE Mizzou's business. Having 18 year old drunks roaming campus leaving a frat is a little bit different from having 18 year olds staying at the frat (an excuse to keep drinking) and having ambulances there picking up the puking freshman on stretchers every Thursday, Friday, and Saturday night. Ultimately, MU is concerned with it's students health, not whether they are making money off of students. Living in a frat costs more than living on campus anyways. GOOD PLAN MU:)

12:59 a.m., Dec. 14, 2010

Ru said:

Sorry but living on campus is WAY more expensive. get your facts straight.

8:52 p.m., Dec. 14, 2010

Kane said:

Splitting up pledges would be a terrible idea and would likely destroy much of the fraternal bond pledges form their freshman year. Living with all of your brothers and the rest of your active chapter creates a unity that's rare to find. I know sororities do this but, brotherhood and sisterhood are two very different concepts. Thankfully, MU is more popular than ever, and there isn't enough room to move hundreds of pledges into the dorms. I love Zeiter's point that you have to live in a dorm to build Mizzou pride! Is he serious? What exactly are you basing that on Mike? Because the guys in my fraternity have tremendous pride in both Mizzou and our house. As far as Amsz67's claim that ambulances have their own parking spots at frats, come on now. I've been here four years and have never seen or heard of one coming to my fraternity. Not to say they don't ever happen at fraternity houses, but that statement is absurd. Living on campus costs much more unless you're in Beta or Phi Kap. Also, I'm not sure about your claim that MU's fraternity's have bad reputations. My question is what college greek life system is highly respected? Greek Life will always have a bad rep regardless of how many philanthropies or service days they do. It would shock me if you're even involved in Greek Life. I don't see why this should be a campus wide vote (MSA) if it's truly a Greek Life issue. Greek Life: step up your enforcement if you think houses are breaking the law. Increase probation, fines, death penalties to the guilty houses. Don't punish every house.

9:18 p.m., Dec. 14, 2010

Edward said:

Yea i live in a fraternity and i can personally tell you its a good amount cheaper than a dorm. I really don't understand why fraternities are so intwined with the university but all I've ever felt from the university as a greek is animosity. Its said a lot that the university does not have high regards for the greek system but i really don't understand why. The greek system puts on one of the biggest blood drives in the nation and does the majority of all homecoming activities. On top of that Greeks are highly involved in the governing bodies on campus. I really wish the university could cut the greek system some slack and loosen their vice grip hold on our community.

10:56 p.m., Dec. 14, 2010

Greek said:

Sorry to burst YOUR bubble Amsz67 (by the way, using your pawprint as an alias was useless; everyone can type that into their email and see your real name), but it's tradition for freshmen guys to live in the frat houses. It's a great way to get to know their brothers and form a real bond. If the freshmen girls could live in sororities, I'm sure they would jump at the chance. I would've felt much more connected to my house earlier if I could've lived in house from the beginning. Yanking the freshmen out of fraternities won't do anything to the alcohol "problem". Believe it or not, college kids drink, Greek and non-Greek. It's just a fact of life that everyone needs to get over. Mizzou has been cracking down really hard the past several years (as seen with the fraternities losing their charters) and putting so many chapters on social probation. If MU really can't handle Greek life, then none of the chapters should be here and slave away for Mizzou's Homecoming, etc.

11:01 p.m., Dec. 14, 2010

sickofmiz said:

@AMSZ67 You are whats wrong with our world today. First off show me any kind of proof that ambulances visit fraternities every night of the week. People like you continue to inflate the bad perception that fraternities have. When in reality nothing goes on in a fraternity that does not go on in off campus living. I am a recent college graduate and lived at a fraternity for 4 years. Never once did an ambulance or police car visit my fraternity. We had a responsibility to look after eachother, which we did. Also living in the fraternity as a freshmen was very beneficial to me. We had a mandatory study hall, where I could get help from pledge brothers. Living there also eased me into the greek community and I developed many healthy relationships. Moving the freshmen to the dorms will not curtail underage drinking. It will only move it to a new location. People need to be realistic and understand A college student is going to consume alcohol no matter what rules are put in place, so why not just make that consumption safer. The police can continue to write MIP's, but those same kids go home that night and continue drinking. College kids are not doing anything different than past. Society is just getting too righteous for itself. On another note, compared to the schools my high school friends attended around the country. Mizzou is by far the most harsh already on its drinking policies. The police department here is out of control. Instead of ransacking bars each night and writing a bunch of meaningless MIP tickets. Why don't they focus purely on drinking while driving. Since that is the only serious concern I have with college kids drinking.

11:04 p.m., Dec. 14, 2010

kk3269 said:

“Having freshmen in the fraternities is something that’s unique to our campus,” Zeiter said. “Currently, the freshmen are thrown into the frats and it’s a reality shock. Living in the dorms would not only help them adjust, but they would build a sense of Mizzou pride instead of just frat pride.” This statement is based purely on assumption. who says that living in a frat as a freshman is any more shocking than living in a dorm. Second, preventing freshman from living in house still wouldn't remove all underage residents. Sophomores are usually still underage, so are we going to remove them from frats too? Third, how does preventing freshman from living in house stop drinking? Seems like a lot of information in this article is based on individual opinion. Maybe instead of trying to prevent drinking (which you cant), the university should try to teach responsible consumption.

3:19 p.m., Dec. 15, 2010

Reality Check said:

Taking freshmen out of fraternities will do nothing to curb underage drinking and to think it will is foolish. They are just as likely to drink in a dorm or off campus somewhere. In my fraternity days there was NEVER an occasion where one of my brothers required a stretcher. Its just kids having fun. Its not like underage drinking is a new phenomenon. Our righteous leaders trying to change things probably participated in this nefarious activity themselves.

12:55 p.m., Dec. 19, 2010

MUGreek said:

I think it a joke that these people think that Dry2K needs "revamping." The Dry 2000 policy has had more to shape the college experience this decade at Mizzou than any other single action. So now we are going to put more people in Stephen's College dorms a 30 minute walk from campus? We already have a massive housing problem, and this would do nothing but hurt it worse. This change wouldn't make more 21 year olds live on campus. People move off campus when they are 21 because of dumb alcohol motivated laws like this one. I'm moving from greek town this semester because I want to be able to grill on my deck and have a beer on a nice spring day without putting my house at risk.

5:37 p.m., Dec. 19, 2010

Anonymous said:

Greek life at mizzou has a horrible reputation. We come off as drunken, shallow, and status obsessed. As a fraternity member this saddens me because greek life means a lot more than that to me, and I think it does a lot of great things for the community and its members. However, if changes like this will improve the way the non greek and local communities see us, I'm all for them.

11:17 p.m., Dec. 20, 2010

Greg said:

1) There is absolutely no way "Anonymous" above me is Greek. That's a real nice try whoever did that. 2) It is absolutely absurd what the Maneater passes off as news and facts. Almost this entire article is opinion. Yet it's not in the editorial section. Way to train your journalists properly for their future careers Maneater. Is this a newspaper or cable news? Anyway Moving freshman Greeks out of the houses will not do anything productive. I hope this doesn't get passed.

12:25 a.m., Dec. 21, 2010

Sam said:

What exactly about this is opinion? and even if anonymous isn't greek they paint a pretty accurate picture

7:59 p.m., Dec. 22, 2010

Rock State said:

Freshman in fraternities is not unique to Mizzou. Almost every friend I had that joined a fraternity is living in the fraternity freshman year. I know KU and Kstate both do it, and i am sure there are plenty of others. Its more of a midwest thing. I also think that would make freshmen not want to come to Mizzou because that was something that I looked forward too and it may have changed my college decision to a school that allowed it If mizzou fraternities didnt let freshmen live in. This would be an awful thing for greek life

4:35 a.m., Jan. 6, 2011

Madeline O'Leary said:

It's not opinion. I can send you the quote checks, if you'd like. Just thought I'd clarify.

2:48 p.m., Jan. 18, 2011

MIZgreekalum said:

“There’s not a whole lot of downfall other than short-term monetary effects,” Noce said. “Fraternity members try to have a full house for monetary reasons and rely on the freshmen, which could potentially pose a problem.” This is actually a very big problem, especially for smaller houses that survive on healthy new recruitment each year.

7:46 p.m., Nov. 22, 2011

Trey said:

I think everyone is over-looking one very important detail. Having no freshman live in the Fraternity houses will do nothing but make Wednesday through Saturday even more crazy. Because every freshman would likely be at the Fraternity houses RUSHING!!!! Mizzou's last billion dollar fundraiser was led by who? GREEKS. Face the facts. MU Police are already out of their minds. I received an MIP while sober driving last year because there was an empty beer can in the trunk. Rather than saying, "Ok. Make sure no one brings alcohol into your car again. Thank you for being safe." I received an expensive ticket for trying to do the right thing. When you were a child, people said, "don't do this, don't do that." And what happened? You did it! It's the same thing. Students choose Mizzou BECAUSE of the greek life, party scene, and they still receive one hell of a degree. MUPD should focus on safety, rather than trying to reach an absurd quota of MIP's each month. It's college. People drink. I've never seen an ambulance at any Fraternity here at MU. The real problem here is freshman girls that go to Fraternity houses and have their first drinks of alcohol, and don't understand moderation. I don't have a solution to stopping freshman girls from going to Fraternity houses, but that is the root of the problem. People will find other venues to drink at illegally, they always do.

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